[Lumiera] Webserver update

Hendrik Boom hendrik at topoi.pooq.com
Sun Sep 28 17:32:10 CEST 2014

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 01:51:20AM +0200, Christian Thaeter wrote:
> Am Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:11:50 -0400
> schrieb Hendrik Boom <hendrik at topoi.pooq.com>:
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:30:21PM +0200, Christian Thaeter wrote:
> > > with recent bash bugs (cough) and our little outdated webserver i am
> > > going to give it a big dist upgrade asap, while being at it i think
> > > i'll just go over to debian/testing (sans systemd)
> > 
> > I hope it's still possible to use testing without systemd.
> > If it is, lt me know how.  I've been updating my laptop on testing
> > ever since the last time testing turned into stable, and somehow
> > systemd has crept in.
> you can purge it and (re-)install sysvinit, of course this works only
> on a sane (aka non-gnome) system :D,.

Making sure you don't have to reboot between the purge and reinstall, I 

Looks like it's time to dump gnome, since I'm not really using it 
anyway.  Might even save a bit of disk space.

> I woudn't do this if i hadnt
> that running here at the office. 
> > 
> > On the installer mailing list, people have requested the option to
> > not use systemd, and they've been turned down.
> I really wanted to move away from the Debian Kindergarden someday, but
> NixOS which I consider an alternative uses systemd as well :/
> Anyway I don't think all systemd's ideas are completely wrong, Whats
> wrong is just the much to monolithc complex design with all its cross
> dependencies and its heavy init which for sure comes with a lore of
> problems and bugs. But maybe we'll get some usable init system which is
> very modular (as in modules are optional, i know that the
> 'implementation' of systemd is somewhat modular) sleek and simple. And
> some unified kernel message bus which ties this all together..

If it can indeed be split up so the modules are really independent, 
that would be a good start.

-- hendrik

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