[Lumiera] Usable state of Lumiera

Christian Thaeter ct at pipapo.org
Fri Jul 2 23:00:19 CEST 2010

John Volk wrote:
> http://issues.lumiera.org/ticket/483 I would not mind doing this with a
> content management system (drupal or wordpress), but it looks like you
> guys are doing want to write the code yourselves. (Is access to a
> database and php available??) Should I use something like Amaya or does
> it have to be done by hand? (And is that mockup final?)

I am happy that I am not that much involved in the web stuff, rafaella,
wouter and andreas (and some other, sorry when I dont mention all) care
for it. We decided once to make the website backed by git and using
asciidoc as markup language with the future view on uwiki.

To my understanding design isn't tied to the backend we use, its just
some css and artwork, isn't it?

If a mockup is final can hadly be saied without seeing it and i really
don't want to turn contributions down. Finally the one who does it is in
charge to decide most about it, but of course when other people feel
very unhappy with it we cant just accept anything. My suggestion would
be to do it evolutionaly in little steps together with the others
instead creating a almost complete mockup, present it and then be
disappointed when critics come in. On the other hand if you working on
this you take the lead and can mostly ignore the whimps who just critize
things and dont do anything :P (Well we core developers and the people
who already did a lot for Lumiera reserve some right to Veto things, we
don't want a pink-pony-style page just because someone did that).

For further discussion about this website things I refer to the others
(who partially did and decided already some work in reorganizing the
content see staging.lumiera.org) and dont want to be too much involved
with that part.

There where also some mockups done by some people in the past but sadly
none of them pushed these forward. Maybe someone collects what we
already had (use the search function on the lumiera.org webpage).


> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Thaeter" <ct at pipapo.org>
> To: "General Discussion about Lumiera" <lumiera at lists.lumiera.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Lumiera] Usable state of Lumiera
>> John Volk wrote:
>>> As you may be able to tell I am not a programmer or developer. But I
>>> would like to help Lumiera in anyway I can. (What is this
>>> non-programming work??) (advertising??) (I don't know shell scripting
>>> yet, but I do know my way around the commandline.)
>> Take a look at
>> http://lists.lumiera.org/pipermail/lumiera/2010-April/001791.html where
>> I explained some things where we need help. When you have some idea what
>> you can do and need some help, ask here on the mailinglist or on IRC
>> about details. If you think you understand what needs to be done you
>> could almost instantly start working on it, push your contributions to
>> the mob repository and we'll merge that then. Anyone who wants to become
>> little more involved gets an account on the server where he can mirror
>> his own repositories too.
>> Christian
>> PS: I am away this weekend until monday, don't wonder when I dont
>> respond then.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Thaeter" <ct at pipapo.org>
>>> To: "General Discussion about Lumiera" <lumiera at lists.lumiera.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 7:49 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Lumiera] Usable state of Lumiera
>>>> Raffaella Traniello wrote:
>>>>>> The first stable release for Lumiera is foreseen for May 1st 2025.
>>>>> Not satisfied? Money back guarantee! ;-)
>>>>>     Joking aside:
>>>>> The goal of Lumiera is not a quick development but a unique NLE.
>>>>> Even if
>>>>> this make the pro-users waiting longer.
>>>>> The development is very active (check the project heartbeat and
>>>>> pulse at
>>>>> http://lumiera.org/) but the final goal is high and ambitious.
>>>>> There is no need of a good and working NLE for Linux: we already have
>>>>> Cinelerra, Kdenlive, Openshot and the others.
>>>>> Lumiera aims at being a *new* NLE.
>>>>> Today Lumiera is a project, not a program.
>>>>> I hope you can share our vision.
>>>> I can't say that better than raffa did. We need more people sharing our
>>>> vision and contribute to the project. Lumiera progresses as fast as
>>>> people working on it, if everyone just waits then it will take a
>>>> infinite time to become useable, luckily about 2 1/2 people constantly
>>>> working on it so it makes slow progress. Lumiera is a big project with
>>>> our current pace it will indeed take way to long to complete it. But we
>>>> working towards sommeting new and innovative and expect that it will
>>>> get
>>>> some critical mass and momentum as soon some very basic things work and
>>>> it will become much more attractive to new developers then. Of
>>>> course it
>>>> would be aweseome when people already *now* start to help in some ways
>>>> to make faster progress (I can't stress enough that there are things to
>>>> do for non-programmers or really basic programming, shell scripting as
>>>> well) We have a lot work to do for anyone who is willing to help,
>>>> waiting brings us nowhere.
>>>> Finally if you can't do anything you may donate some money to the
>>>> project. We are associated with the FFIS (a german based association
>>>> focusing on development and support for free software). Donations will
>>>> be used for the Project directly, we had/have some expenses for
>>>> advertisement Materials, the server and domain bills (currently payed
>>>> privately by us), any travel and accomodation costs to meetings and
>>>> conferences.
>>>> By the way: We will meet again at FrOSCon (http://froscon.org) in
>>>> august
>>>> this year. Lumiera will have a booth and a development room and we
>>>> submitted a paper which got accepted where we will explain the
>>>> motivation behind Lumiera and its design. Raffaella wil hold a
>>>> stop-motion video editing workshop for kids and maybe the rest of the
>>>> Lumiera Team will help streaming the conference over the web (as we did
>>>> for the Linux Audio Conference). As you see, Lumiera is really a
>>>> Vision/Project with an active community which do things in different
>>>> ways, anyone just what he can do.
>>>> Christian

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