[Lumiera] New Open Source Video Editor

Thu Jan 14 23:15:22 CET 2010

Thanks for sharing your view of anarchy, but other than that I am afraid I
missed your point. Sorry.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Hudson Luce <hhluce at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Now you really stuck your foot in it, Aaron. Enrico Malatesta, in
> "Anarchy"(http://theanarchistlibrary.org/anarchy-0):
>
> "Anarchists, including this writer, have used the word State, and still do,
> to mean the sum total of the political, legislative, judiciary, military and
> financial institutions through which the management of their own affairs,
> the control over their personal behaviour, the responsibility for their
> personal safety, are taken away from the people and entrusted to others who,
> by usurpation or delegation, are vested with the powers to make the laws for
> everything and everybody, and to oblige the people to observe them, if need
> be, by the use of collective force. In this sense the word State means
> government, or to put it another way, it is the impersonal abstract
> expression of that state of affairs, personified by government: and
> therefore the terms abolition of the State, Society without the State, etc.,
> describe exactly the concept which anarchists seek to express, of the
> destruction of all political order based on authority, and the creation of
> a society of free and equal members based on a harmony of interests and the
> voluntary participation of everybody in carrying out social
> responsibilities."
>
> Anarchy does not mean chaos, nor disorder: "[T]he word anarchy was
> universally used in the sense of disorder and confusion; and it is to this
> day used in that sense by the uninformed as well as by political opponents
> with an interest in distorting the truth. ... The existence of this
> prejudice and its influence on the public’s definition of the word anarchy,
> is easily explained. Man, like all living beings, adapts and accustoms
> himself to the conditions under which he lives, and passes on acquired
> habits. Thus, having being born and bred in bondage, when the descendants of
> a long line of slaves started to think, they believed that slavery was an
> essential condition of life, and freedom seemed impossible to them.
> Similarly, workers who for centuries were obliged, and therefore accustomed,
> to depend for work, that is bread, on the goodwill of the master, and to see
> their lives always at the mercy of the owners of the land and of capital,
> ended by believing that it is the master who feeds them, and ingenuously ask
> one how would it be possible to live if there were no masters."
> --- On *Thu, 1/14/10, Aaron Newcomb <anewcomb2 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Aaron Newcomb <anewcomb2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Lumiera] New Open Source Video Editor
> To: "General Discussion about Lumiera" <lumiera at lists.lumiera.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 3:35 PM
>
>
> Sounds like we are getting hung up in semantics for the most part. I
> sincerely hope your view of FOSS as anarchy is not shared by the wider
> community. Otherwise we are all in trouble.
>
> Cheers!
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Burkhard Plaum
> <plaum at ipf.uni-stuttgart.de<http://mc/compose?to=plaum@ipf.uni-stuttgart.de>>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Aaron Newcomb wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually it is. I didn't say it was impossible I just said it was very
> >> unlikely. Also, a lot of the opinion on this point depends on your
> >> definition of "marketing". Here is the dictionary.com definition ...
> >> "the total of activities involved in the transfer of goods from the
> >> producer or seller to the consumer or buyer, including advertising,
> >> shipping, storing, and selling." The only thing different in this case
> >> is that we are not selling anything. We are giving it away.
> >
> > Ok, for me marketing has a purely commercial meaning.
> >
> >>> ffmpeg makes hardly any marketing and has become
> >>> the defacto standard codec library.
> >>>
> >>> libquicktime makes *zero* marketing and is used in a number of
> >>> professional movie production studios.
> >>
> >> 1) These libraries work well. 2) People talk about them (and the
> >> projects that use them) in blogs, word of mouth, whatever. And 3) more
> >> people use them.
> >> #2 above is still part of the marketing process even though it may
> >> have happened organically in these cases.
> >
> > Yes, and that's the best and most efficient way to make a project
> popular.
> > For you it's a kind of marketing, I would call it word-of-mouth
> propaganda.
> > The difference is, that the independent opinion of users is much more
> > credible than what developers (or other people connected to a project)
> say.
> > And for that you need (see your point 1) something that works well in the
> > first place (and programmers who write it).
> >
> >>> Cinelerra had little else than a website and has a large user community
> >>> by now.
> >>
> >> Wow. I really have to disagree here. For myself I have done video
> >> tutorials, Floss Weekly episodes, blog posts and presentations at
> >> conferences.
> >
> > Yes, but you are not connected to the original cinelerra project. I know
> > that, because it's a one-man project. What you do (and it's good that you
> > do it) is no marketing for me.
> >
> >> Although sometimes hard to measure, I would like to think
> >> that at least some part of that large community (and that of Lumiera
> >> for that matter) have come as a result of these "marketing" efforts on
> >> my part.
> >
> > How many developers did you recruit?
> >
> > [...]
> >>
> >> Wrong for the above reasons. Unfortunately many in the FOSS community
> >> share your opinions and this needs to change.
> >
> > It shouldn't change and it won't. Remember the 'F' in FOSS stands for
> > freedom. As soon as you want people to change their opinion, the basic
> > principle is lost.
> >
> > My personal view of FOSS is that it's pure anarchy with all pros and
> > cons. Established rules from the corporate/business world simply don't
> apply
> > here. If you look at the motivations people have for working on FOSS
> > projects (and also at the projects temselves), you'll find an extremely
> > wide variety. People who don't like that diversity, should stay away.
> > People who want the community to develop is a certain direction, haven't
> > understood what freedom means. They should rather become politicians.
> >
> > Burkhard
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>
> --
> Thanks,
> Aaron Newcomb
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Aaron Newcomb
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